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Message #3585 of 6634  *NEW* To :   All From :   Jaydawg   Subject :   Steroid Stats? Barry Bonds averaged 31.8 home runs a season from 1986-99, while getting 51.6 between 2000-04, including a record of 73 in '01... To all of Ba-Bo's defenders who say, show me your facts...... Well, here they are.. Date :   5/29/06, 7:10pm As the years go by, a lot of people will think of Barry as a waste of talent. Prior to taking steroids six years ago, he was considered one of the all-time greats. It's a mystery as to why he decided to take a chance and squander the whole thing. • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #3585 • Back to Topics 5127 reads 1828 clickthrough(s) You cannot start a topic in the Headlines or Classifieds area... if you want to post a new message, try one of our other message areas!

Message #3588 of 6634  *NEW* To :   Jaydawg From :   Guest16104 (IP: 69.141.76.197)   Subject :   Re: Steroid Stats? Barry Bonds averaged 31.8 home runs a season from 1986-99, while getting 51.6 between 2000-04, including a record of 73 in '01... To all of Ba-Bo's defenders who say, show me your facts...... Well, here they are.. Date :   5/30/06, 6:11am Ego. Remember Bonds grew up in upper white suburbia because his dad had baseball money. Most of Bonds friends growing up were white and so is his steroid scandel girlfriend. He always had a stigma attached to him, at least in his own mind, and strived to be just like everyone else he knew. When white players like Mcgwire and Canseco were getting all the attention while juicing up, Bonds couldn't take it. He felt he was being treated different, like his whole life growing up he was treated different. If it was good enough for the white guys, then why not for him? Mcgwire was the smart one. He cut and run to Australia before the scandel hit. • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #3588 • Back to Topics 5931 reads

Message #3589 of 6634  *NEW* To :   Jaydawg From :   Reedster   Subject :   Re: Steroid Stats? Barry Bonds averaged 31.8 home runs a season from 1986-99, while getting 51.6 between 2000-04, including a record of 73 in '01... To all of Ba-Bo's defenders who say, show me your facts...... Well, here they are.. Date :   5/30/06, 11:48am You can schew figures any way you want, really. I could make a strong argument that when comparing homerun ratios pre-expansion, and post-expansion, Bonds' HR averages increased. Diamondbacks Rockies Devil Rays Marlins These teams were added to the MLB during Bonds' career. I assert that it is because of more diluted pitching that Bonds was able to get these supersized HR totals. Well, not really. But, my point is that pointing to these HR averages doesn't prove much of anything. Taken another way, I can include last season and his low HR ratio this season and blame it on the death of his father. Since the death of Bobby Bonds, Bonds' HR ratio has gone down considerably. I could argue, therefore, that if Bobby was still alive, Barry would have passed Hank Aaron last year. Well, not really. Just making the same point again. • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #3589 • Back to Topics 5928 reads

Message #3591 of 6634  *NEW* To :   Guest16104 (IP: 69.141.76.197) From :   Guest16104 (IP: 69.141.76.197)   Subject :   Re: Steroid Stats? Barry Bonds averaged 31.8 home runs a season from 1986-99, while getting 51.6 between 2000-04, including a record of 73 in '01... To all of Ba-Bo's defenders who say, show me your facts...... Well, here they are.. Date :   5/30/06, 2:19pm The writer should have mentioned Bonds age. Nobody in the history of baseball spanning over 100 years has had such a dramatic increase in HR per at bats at such an advanced age. Bonds didn't "wake up" at age 25 or 30 or even 35. He was 37 when his numbers started going through the roof. Bonds is the flash point for the whole issue. We'll never believe in baseball numbers again, really. Bonds just personifies the issue because he's breaking records, but most players were and are juicing today. It's a sad fact, but that's the way it is. • Previous Topic • Next Topic • Reply to Msg #3591 • Back to Topics 5925 reads

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