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Subject:  The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/3/06, 7:52pm
Forgive me for being so cynical & even a bit anal, but the all star game is losing it's luster in my opinion. I'm starting to believe that the voting should be taken away from the fans. I know that is probably not the politically correct angle on this issue but some of the players starting in the all star game based off fan voting is downright rediculous in my humble opinion.

Here are the guys that are starting based off fan voting so far.

AL - Jason Varitek, David Ortiz, Robinson Cano, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez, Vlad Guerrero, Johnny Damon.

Jason Varitek, as of June 3rd, is batting .233 with only 5 HRs. This is your starting AL catcher for the all star game? Are you kidding me? I know he has been a solid player in past seasons, but his numbers this season does not merritt the starting job at catcher for the AL. Joe Mauer, batting .354 by the way would have been a much better selection. Ramon Hernandez also deserves strong consideration. He's hitting around .300 with 9 HRs & 40 something RBIs after today's game versus the Yankees.

David Ortiz is obviously a pretty good selection, but Travis Hafner & Jim Thome are having better season's so far. Hafner - .301, 14 HRs, 44 RBIs. Thome - .295, 20 HRs, 52 RBIs. David Ortiz - .263, 15 HRs respectively, 48 RBIs. Shea Hillenbrand hasn't been chopped liver either with a .330 BA & 9 HRs.

Robinson Cano is an underated player, but why not Jose Lopez or T. Iguchi. Jose Lopez is hitting .286 with 9 HRs & 45 RBIs. He is doing this with his home field being a "pitcher's ballpark". Iguchi - .293, 6 HRs, 23 RBIs. Cano - .305, but only 2 HRs & 20 RBIs.

Derek Jeter - can't really argue with this. I will say that Tejada & Micheal Young make very strong cases as well to be the AL starting SS.

Alex Rodriguez - hard to argue this one as well, although there are 3 or 4 other everyday thirdbasemen in the AL with higher batting averages than ARod.

Vlad Guererro - can't argue with his numbers

Manny Ramirez - solid numbers, but there are a few others maybe a little more deserving.

Johnny Damon - I'm sorry! This is got to be a joke! Damon has put up decent numbers, but noy all star like numbers in my opinion. He was only voted in as a starter because he is identifiable having played in Boston & now for the Yankees.

There are other AL outfielders far more deserving. Will someone please give some love to the AL's current leading hitter? His name is Alex RIOS people. He might be the most underated outfielder in baseball. He is hitting .359 with 10 HRs & about 40 RBIs. If he doesn't atleast make the all star team, that would be a travesty. Vernon Wells is another. He is hitting .325 with 15 HRs & 43 RBIs. Either one of these guys should be starting over Damon & maybe even Ramirez based off this season's numbers thus far.

Let's not forget about Jermaine Dye! .307, 16 HRs, 41 RBIs. How about Magglio Ordonez? .317, 12 HRs, 39 RBIs.

Also very deserving, Nick Swisher, .292, 16 HRs, 42 RBIs, Casey Blake, .330, 9 HRS, 35 RBIs.

I haven't even mentioned guys like Suzuki, Crawford, Sizemore, Mench, & Gary Matthews Jr, who all support all star quality numbers & who all have better numbers than Damon, atleast coming into June 3rd. Damon's numbers by the way? .283, 6 HRs, & 27 RBIs. Not bad, but not nearly an all star starter in my opinion!

Here are the NL guys based off fan voting so far.

NL - Paul LoDuca, Albert Pujols, Craig Biggio, David Eckstein, Scott Rolen, Andruw Jones, Carlos Beltran, Jim Edmonds.

Paul LoDuca - process of elimination & a lack of all star quality catchers in the NL gives him the honors.

Albert Pujols - NO ARGUMENT HERE! Ryan Howard, Lance Berkman, & Prince Fielder should all be very strongly considered as Pujols back ups at firstbase.

Craig Biggio - This has got to be another silly joke, right? Can somebody say where's Chase Utley? Where is Jose Vidro? Even guys like Brandon Phillips, Jose Castillo, Dan Uggla, & Rickie Weeks deserve more consideration than Biggio based off this year's numbers. Utley - .327, 10, 32. Vidro - .328, 4, 25. Phillips - .310, 5, 32. Castillo - .306, 8, 30. Uggla - .306, 6, 29. Weeks - .302, 5, 14. Biggio's numbers you ask? .284, 5, 19. Not bad, but not all star.

David Eckstein - average is good(.329), but his other numbers suck! How about Renteria? .322, 5, 21. Vizquel? .318, 3, 22. Hanley Ramirez? .316, 2, 18, 17 stolen basis! Jack Wilson - .303, 5, 19. Felipe Lopez - .283, 5, 19, 16 stolen bases!

Scott Rolen - numbers are pretty good, but what about Miguel Cabrera? .354, 9 HRs, 43 RBIs. In comparison, Rolen is hitting .331, 6 HRs, & 30 RBIS. Freddy Sanchez & David Wright also have numbers very comparable to Rolen's.

Andruw Jones - solid selection, .290, 19, 52.

Carlos Beltran - PLEASE!!!!!!!!! What about Matt Holliday? Jason Bay? Alfonso Soriano? or even Pat Burrell or Carlos Lee?

Holliday, Bay,& Soriano all have better numbers than Beltran!

Burrell & Carlos Lee are atleast as good number wise & maybe better!

Jim Edmonds - This has got to be arguably the biggest joke of them all! .241, 5 HRs! ENOUGH SAID! Who are these fans watching?

The thing that disgusts me the most about all of this is that it has turned into a populatity contest. It is all about the who's who & glitz & glamour. It isn't an actual all star game anymore & really hasn't been for the past few seasons.

Look at the American League line up. It might as well just been a major ass kissing contest between the Yankees & Red Sox! People voted for those players because they are in the biggest markets & the media has their noses so far up the Yankees & Red Sox asses that everyone(especially the casual baseball fan or bandwagon fan) thinks they should pull for the Yankees or Red Sox because that is all we ever really here about if it isn't Clemens, Pujols, or Bonds! It has become a total joke really. A lot of the real all stars based off this year's numbers so far come from the smaller market teams, but no one ever really here's about them unless you are a true baseball fan or are into fantasy baseball. It is really quiet sad!

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Message #189 of 317  *NEW*
To:  drrubb
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drrubb  
Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/3/06, 8:55pm (Last Edited: 6/3/06, 9:28pm)
In my opinion, this is who should be the starting all star players for each league & their back ups(not based off fan voting, but their actual numbers/production.

AL

C - Joe Mauer
1B - Jim Thome
2B - Jose Lopez
SS - Miguel Tejada
3B - Alex Rodriguez
OF - Vlad Guerrero
OF - Vernon Wells
OF - Jermaine Dye
DH - Travis Hafner (if there is one)

AL Reserves:

Alex Rios
Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz
Derek Jeter
Troy Glaus
Ramon Hernandez
Magglio Ordonez
Nick Swisher
Grady Sizemore
Gary Matthews Jr.
Kevin Mench
Carl Crawford
Robinson Cano
Ichiro Suzuki
Micheal Young

AL Starting Pitchers:

Roy Halladay
Curt Schilling
Scott Kazmir
Mike Mussina
Jose Contreras
CC Sabathia
Justin Verlander
Barry Zito
Johan Santana

AL Relievers:

Jon Papelbon
BJ Ryan
Fernando Rodney
Bobby Jenks
Chris Ray
F. Rodriguez
Mariano Rivera
Joe Nathan
Bob Wickman

NL

C - Paul Loduca
1B - Albert Pujols
2B - Chase Utley
SS - Edgar Renteria
3B - Miguel Cabrera
OF - Andruw Jones
OF - Jason Bay
OF - Alfonso Soriano
DH - Matt Holliday (if there is one)

NL Reserves:

Ryan Howard
Scott Rolen
Lance Berkman
Jose Castillo
Pat Burrell
Hanley Ramirez
Jose Vidro
Carlos Lee
Prince Fielder
Dan Uggla
Jack Wilson
Felipe Lopez
David Wright
Freddy Sanchez
Brad Hawpe

NL Starting Pitchers:

Brandon Webb
Derek Lowe
Chris Carpenter
Carlos Zambrano
Brett Myers
Pedro Martinez
Bronson Arroyo
Roy Oswalt
John Smoltz

NL Relievers:

Trevor Hoffman
Tom Gordon
Brian Fuentes
Jason Isringhausen
Billy Wagner
Roberto Hernandez
Tod Coffey
Kenneth Ray
Chad Cordero

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Message #190 of 317  *NEW*
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Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/4/06, 7:22am
I don't need to add anything really, I just would like to say that I wholeheartedly agree and am equally annoyed or just plain pissed off about this All-Star selection. Especially as a Blue Jay fan to see so many sucky Red Sox and Yankees in that All Star starting lineup. They have got to change the system somehow.

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RJ Warner  
Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/4/06, 10:55am
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No DH because it's in an NL park...

I know it's the fans game, but it shouldn't be the "fans in the biggest cities" game. Why St Louis fans would stuff the box with So Taguchi is beyound me. I thought they were knowledgeable baseball people.

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Message #192 of 317  *NEW*
To:  RJ Warner
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drrubb  
Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/4/06, 12:32pm (Last Edited: 6/4/06, 12:33pm)
Right on Paulgeebert & RJ Warner! I'm glad there is some people out there who actually agree with me & understand. The system definately must be changed!

RJ, I know you are a Pirates fan. If Jason Bay & Jose Castillo don't make the all star team, it's just an outright joke, especially for Jason Bay who should probably be starting in the NL outfield. Jim Edmonds shouldn't even be on the all star team. That is a complete joke! Beltran is arguable at best.

Paulgeebert, I know you are a Blue Jays fan. How in the hell does anyone keep Alex Rios & Vernon Wells off the all star team? Heck, those 2 guys should probably starting in the AL outfield. They definately make a very strong case! I can't believe Johnny Damon is starting. That is a joke! He's a great player, but there are better choices based off this season's numbers. Damon is a reserve AL all star at best, but I would even say that he shouldn't even be on the all star team this season despite his reputation & numbers he's put up in past seasons.

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Message #193 of 317  *NEW*
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Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/4/06, 12:37pm (Last Edited: 6/4/06, 12:42pm)
Gregg & Rob, as a loyal listener & avid baseball fan, I would sure love to know how you guys feel about the all star situation & the projected starting line ups for both sides on one of your next couple of podcasts. I think it would be very interesting!

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Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/4/06, 5:41pm (Last Edited: 6/4/06, 5:42pm)
These are good picks, Dr. Rub. But, I think Mark Buehrle deserves a spot over Curt Schilling, who's ERA is at 3.93 right now. I believe Buehrle's is at 3.25 or so. Utley definitely deserves the nod over Craig Biggio, but Biggio isn't exactly a slouch this year. He leads the N.L. with 21 doubles. Obviously, the St. Louis fans are stuffing the ballot boxes and I don't understand how they keep voting for Jim Edmonds, among a few others. Bob Costas has always said that the Cardinal fans are the most knowledgeable in the game. It sure doesn't look like it when you look at the All-Star balloting.

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Message #195 of 317  *NEW*
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drrubb  
Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/4/06, 9:57pm
Yeah, the all star game looks like Cardinals vs. The Yankees & Red Sox. BOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!

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Message #196 of 317  *NEW*
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drrubb  
Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/6/06, 9:52pm
Well, unfortunately, the voting is final. In my opinion, this is really a joke of an all star game. There are 4 Yankees & 3 Red Sox players in the AL starting line up. You can blame much of this on the media & just the fact that New York & Boston are gigantic big markets. All we ever hear about are these 2 teams by the media, so the casual baseball fan or bandwagon fan who doesn't know any better vote for the Yankee & Red Sox players because that is all they ever hear about from the media & on Sportscenter. I bet you the casual fan, who aren't really die hard baseball fans don't know who Alex Rios, Vernon Wells, Nick Swisher, Travis Hafner, Jermaine Dye, Kevin Mench, Gary Matthews Jr., Joe Mauer, Roberto Hernandez, & Jose Lopex are? All of these guys should be on the all star team & atleast a few of them probably should be starting based off their production so far this season. The all star game is nothing more than a glamour & popularity contest now. It has become a total choke! Why don't we just have a New York & Boston ass kissing contest & say the hell with the all star game? You can throw St. Louis in that mix to! I for one am not going to watch the all star game this year, because it isn't really an all star game anymore. Baseball's mid summer classic has become a complete JOKE! How does Varitek make the AL squad batting in the 230's? Cano & Damon in my opinion shouldn't be starting either. In the NL, Edmonds is batting about 250 & starting!? Biggio & Eckstein shouldn't be starting in my humble opinion either. I think I'll watch the Teletubbies that night or re-runs of Gomer Pyle.

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Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/15/06, 5:50am
I think the All-Star team should be voted on by the players like it used to be. The players know who is good and who is not. The game is a popularity contest now.

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Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/16/06, 6:34pm
I agree. They should also base them off player production in the first half of the season & I think they should wait until about 10 to 14 days before determining who will be in the all star game. They end the voting process way too early in my opinion. The way things are now, there will be atleast 3 or 4 Yankees & 2 or 3 Red Sox in the all star game every year just because they are "popular". It's flat out rediculous! I'm not watching the game this year & contributing to FOX network's Yankees/Red Sox ass kissing contest. The same can be said for the Cardinals & Mets in the NL. If the all star game is going to actually mean something(home field advantage in the World Series), than it truly needs to be an all star game & not a "big city market love contest"! If the system stays the same, the players playing for "big market teams" will always get voted in. Your AL line ups will always consist of nothing but Yankees & Red Sox. In the NL, it will be nothing but Mets, Cardinals, & maybe the Cubs & Dodgers.

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Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/21/06, 8:34pm
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they should do the All-Star voting similar to how the NFL does the Pro Bowl voting. You have the fans vote, and their vote counts for 1/3. The players and managers also vote and their votes also count for 1/3 each. 80% of them will probably be the same anyway like Pujols, A-Rod, Jeter, etc., but this way if you have the dopey fans stuffing the ballot box for guys like Johnny Damon and Craig Biggio just because they're "hometown guys," it would get trumped by the 2/3 vote from the players and managers, and we'd get guys like Alex Rios and Chase Utley who deserve to be in there instead.

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drrubb  
Subject:  Re: The all star game is looking more like a popularity contest rather than a all star game!
Date:  6/22/06, 4:05am
That sounds like a pretty good idea. Now if we could only force that up Bud Selig's ass.

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